Even so, the cost of using SSL is another downfall for speed. I sometimes browse the site on 3g when I’m on the go, certain places I get E or even GPRS, it’s understandable for slow speed however using 3G or poor 4G it’s a bit of a wait.
Mandatory HTTPS!
I don’t think you should be getting such a big performance hit on mobile. Maybe if the latency is already a few seconds then worse case add a few more for https. If what you’re saying is true and not just perceived I bet there are more optimisations to be made on the server (session reuse would help a lot of its not doing it already).
Can you run this to quantify the difference? https://www.httpvshttps.com/ Https was faster for me but I imagine it’ll be different on a high latency network.
It would also be interesting to see the results of that on your slow home connection.
[quote=“Justin Bieber, post:42, topic:553635”][quote author=my-swagger link=topic=672553.msg4498168#msg4498168 date=1446403721]
Even so, the cost of using SSL is another downfall for speed. I sometimes browse the site on 3g when I’m on the go, certain places I get E or even GPRS, it’s understandable for slow speed however using 3G or poor 4G it’s a bit of a wait.
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I don’t think you should be getting such a big performance hit on mobile. Maybe if the latency is already a few seconds then worse case add a few more for https. If what you’re saying is true and not just perceived I bet there are more optimisations to be made on the server (session reuse would help a lot of its not doing it already).
Can you run this to quantify the difference? https://www.httpvshttps.com/ Https was faster for me but I imagine it’ll be different on a high latency network.
It would also be interesting to see the results of that on your slow home connection.[/quote]
cool test, HTTP is 356% slower than HTTPS for me
yea I got that a couple of times too, probably caching… it recommends running each test in a fresh session.
but HTTPS cannot cache? 
I definitely trust the results of a website that says “https is faster” in the title before even letting you run the test. It takes me 5 seconds to load 2mb of images? I call bullshit.
[quote=“Justin Bieber, post:44, topic:553635”]yea I got that a couple of times too, probably caching… it recommends running each test in a fresh session.[/quote]It says in the description that it has disabled caching completely on the webserver. (Part of why HTTPS might be faster for some people, they are giving it the best possible circumstances; though I personally suspect they have other settings too)
rofl
this conversation
[quote=“Davidi2, post:24, topic:553635”][quote author=Moparisthebest link=topic=672553.msg4498084#msg4498084 date=1446238345]
Actually new Firefox, and soon if not already Chrome and then inevitably other browsers now show a big “THIS CONNECTION IS UNTRUSTED” warning on http. 
That was actually one of the many reasons to do this.
[/quote]Do you have a source for that? I believe that is incorrect. AFAIK that warning shows when you attempt to use https and the site has an invalid cert. I use the latest firefox and never get that warning on http.[/quote]
I couldn’t find a link about firefox doing this, but someone in IRC showed me a screenshot of the latest firefox beta showing this warning on moparisthebest.com, so I know it’s planned at least.
[quote=“my-swagger, post:30, topic:553635”]I like being able to cache my webpages. My internet is slow as it is especially in my area, having to always load the page isn’t really something I’d fancy.
Security over performance, in my case I’d prefer performance.[/quote]
Actually HTTPS is faster, due to being able to use SPDY 2/3 instead of HTTP/1.1 on this server, and soon I’ll offer HTTP/2 as well (again only over https). Of course you need a browser that supports those, but any chrome or firefox from the last few years will do. Also as others have pointed out, http/https cache semantics are identical.
I have a modern Chrome, and it didn’t use SPDY 2/3 on that test (and warned me about my ‘old’ Chrome, even though it isn’t old) - so apparently it’s not as simple as just having a modern browser.
http was much faster.
in seriousness, I posted that test so that we could quantify the difference in http/https performance for people having performance problems. because nothing is going to get fixed if we keep saying HTTPS IS FASTR THAN HTTP or HTTP IS FASTER THAN HTTPS. if anyone has a better test then go ahead and post it.
A standard apt-get upgrade pulled in a new minor release of nginx, which for some reason removed spdy and replaced it with http2, so now we have full http2 support for free.
Enjoy!
but my browser doesn’t support nginx
Yeah well my network doesn’t support networking
you guys are quality memers
[quote=“Moparisthebest, post:52, topic:553635”]A standard apt-get upgrade pulled in a new minor release of nginx, which for some reason removed spdy and replaced it with http2, so now we have full http2 support for free.
Enjoy![/quote]
That’s some proper exciting news, thanks mopar, I knew waiting 12 years for you to do something would pay off. 
[quote=“Moparisthebest, post:49, topic:553635”]I couldn’t find a link about firefox doing this, but someone in IRC showed me a screenshot of the latest firefox beta showing this warning on moparisthebest.com, so I know it’s planned at least.[/quote]As far as I can see, the warning shows when using mixed-mode HTTPS, assuming he was referring to the Firefox update that went out in the last couple days. HTTP still doesn’t have a warning AFAIK
As of my firefox update today I did get new things:
HTTP: 
Mixed-mode HTTPS: 
Fully-secured HTTPS: 
If that second picture looks like what he showed you, it might’ve been that there were images on the MPSC page he was looking at that weren’t using https. I get that warning still on MPSC even with the enforced HTTPS now that I’ve linked puush screenshots which isnt using SSL (second picture)
Because speed is important on Moparscape.
And I get no conclusive results from HTTPvsHTTPS
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