You’ve said it yourself, Moparisthebest is a busy man and a lot of the technical side of things is on his end. You know better than I do regarding things like this, so bringing that up is largely irrelevant.
EDIT: I’d also like to point out that this topic is mainly one concerning board order. 
MoparScape and MITB merge and board reshuffle
Uploading files isn’t a big deal for him to do, he gets online every sunday. Developing the web applications that make everything work is the problem, he doesn’t have time to do that. If people who suggested things like this and put as much time as they did into that than properly improving what attracts new people then we’d be going somewhere, but as usual we’re in the same rut we’ve been in for 6 years.
I don’t understand why that’s irrelevant at all, it makes complete sense. If people put the time and effort into giving the site new content that attracts the new users rather than a board structure that does nothing but favour the current members then we’d have some progress. It’s actually hugely relevant.
I was saying that in regards to this thread, that’s a mistake on my end.
New members will become “current members”, your message makes it sound as though the new structure will only be available to members who have been here for a while. It will be available to everyone and it will make it easier for new members to find what they’re looking for by giving it a logical structure. I would say that it being easier to find content would probably attract new members.
But we mustn’t rely on content alone to attract people. Everyone on Rune-Server and RuneLocus knows about MoparScape and will download what they want and then leave (or just wait for it to be mirrored over there). We need to attract people by being the best site in general, not just by having the best content. An administration team with a complete, innate repulsion to change does not make us the best site. Like I said, 82% of suggestions that have been acted upon have been denied, and the majority of the ones accepted haven’t been added, months later. The resolved suggestions also only make up 46% of the total posted - a lot of them never receive a verdict from the staff and are just left.
I think that attempting to be the best website of our kind whilst the staff have no intention of taking any actions to improve it is a very futile pursuit.
Why can’t we add new content AND rearrange the boards? They aren’t mutually exclusive, and trying to say it’s a bad idea to rearrange boards because we need new content doesn’t make any sense. As for removing MITB and creating all the boards on MPSC, that’s not going to happen, Moparisthebest is completely against it.
Here’s my version of your changed board structure since I dont think you can see that section Flame:
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Is this based off of the one I sent in David? I don’t have access to any boards other than the one designated for sectionals.
[quote=“Ambokile, post:24, topic:536783”][quote author=Ruby link=topic=655598.msg4388949#msg4388949 date=1386737373]
I don’t understand why that’s irrelevant at all, it makes complete sense. If people put the time and effort into giving the site new content that attracts the new users rather than a board structure that does nothing but favour the current members then we’d have some progress. It’s actually hugely relevant.
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New members will become “current members”, your message makes it sound as though the new structure will only be available to members who have been here for a while. It will be available to everyone and it will make it easier for new members to find what they’re looking for by giving it a logical structure. I would say that it being easier to find content would probably attract new members.
But we mustn’t rely on content alone to attract people. Everyone on Rune-Server and RuneLocus knows about MoparScape and will download what they want and then leave (or just wait for it to be mirrored over there). We need to attract people by being the best site in general, not just by having the best content. An administration team with a complete, innate repulsion to change does not make us the best site. Like I said, 82% of suggestions that have been acted upon have been denied, and the majority of the ones accepted haven’t been added, months later. The resolved suggestions also only make up 46% of the total posted - a lot of them never receive a verdict from the staff and are just left.
I think that attempting to be the best website of our kind whilst the staff have no intention of taking any actions to improve it is a very futile pursuit.[/quote]
You’re completely right, but certain tools and help with certain aspects of development really does push us in the right direction, which is just about all we can do right now. Tom told me this morning that srt8 is pretty close to having their newest baby therefore it’s going to be a big toll on his activity (as small as that is) so all in all there’s not much we can do on the staff side of that.
David, I never said it was a bad idea; I’m only getting the fact over that, in my opinion, the time could be better spent doing things that could bring in a few new active users.
[quote=“Flame_, post:26, topic:536783”]Is this based off of the one I sent in David? I don’t have access to any boards other than the one designated for sectionals.[/quote][quote=“Davidi2, post:25, topic:536783”]Here’s my version of your changed board structure since I dont think you can see that section Flame:[/quote]
[quote=“Ruby, post:27, topic:536783”]David, I never said it was a bad idea; I’m only getting the fact over that, in my opinion, the time could be better spent doing things that could bring in a few new active users.[/quote] I was just referring to this:
We don't need rearrangements, we need new content. Spending 8 hours rearranging boards then doing it again doesn't get us any closer to a new active member. Absolute waste of time.First of all it would take all of an hour or two, and secondly, the only way that logic works is if the admins/staff team are like clocking in/out hours they spend working on the site. Even if we don't do the rearranging that doesn't mean they are going to use those 'working hours' to add new content, so it makes no sense to even make the comparison that for some reason spending time reorganizing the site somehow takes away time that could be used adding new content. Because we know how much free time Tom has, he just doesn't have the power to upload files (and other stuff, etc), which he doesn't need to do to rearrange the boards. tl;dr - Comparing rearranging boards to other additions or saying rearranging boards limits other changes being made seems silly to me and this topic should just be about which board changes should be made (if any)
Why is MITB against removing the MITB site? It could be merged over as much as possible in terms of posts, but as it’s own community it is effectively dead and holding onto it is not worth it, especially when holding on to MITB’s forums is damaging MoparScape’s progression.
Also Ruby, once a board structure is decided upon I can’t see it taking long at all to implement.
Why can’t we just get rid of moparscape and merge it with moparisthebest? What is wrong with that? Mitb might not want to get rid of mitb, get rid of mscp then?
Moparisthebest.com may have sentimental value. I wont speak for him but I know how he’d feel getting rid of something that started such a huge community that actually has history. Moparisthebest.com should be left as is, now as a ruin. It’s not bothering anyone.
That would be like throwing a big brand name like Walmart or Amazon away and then giving it a new name that nobody associates with the brand. Why, you ask? Because it’s an unnecessary waste of time. The Moparscape name is fine as it is, there’s nothing for us to gain by changing the name to Moparisthebest from what I can see.
It is bothering people, though. I am fine with Moparisthebest.com existing but at present the way in which it is existing is directly harming the development of MoparScape. That is why I suggested either cloning all the posts over here on MSCP and then keeping it as an archive.
[quote=“Ambokile, post:34, topic:536783”][quote author=TabbyKiller link=topic=655598.msg4389015#msg4389015 date=1386770352]
Moparisthebest.com may have sentimental value. I wont speak for him but I know how he’d feel getting rid of something that started such a huge community that actually has history. Moparisthebest.com should be left as is, now as a ruin. It’s not bothering anyone.
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It is bothering people, though. I am fine with Moparisthebest.com existing but at present the way in which it is existing is directly harming the development of MoparScape. That is why I suggested either cloning all the posts over here on MSCP and then keeping it as an archive.[/quote]
Understand that the majority of traffic that this site receives goes directly to the RS2 Server Development boards. Archiving one site, merging with the other site, or anything of that nature does not change where that traffic goes to, therefore the people it is bothering is only a very slight minority that wants to see such a change just because.
[quote=“Flame_, post:35, topic:536783”][quote author=Ambokile link=topic=655598.msg4389036#msg4389036 date=1386782740]
It is bothering people, though. I am fine with Moparisthebest.com existing but at present the way in which it is existing is directly harming the development of MoparScape. That is why I suggested either cloning all the posts over here on MSCP and then keeping it as an archive.
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Understand that the majority of traffic that this site receives goes directly to the RS2 Server Development boards. Archiving one site, merging with the other site, or anything of that nature does not change where that traffic goes to, therefore the people it is bothering is only a very slight minority that wants to see such a change just because.[/quote]
The ability to install mods would be an improvement because people could vote on posts within the RS2 development boards (in a Reddit kind of way), we could have the “thanks” system we’ve wanted, the “spoiler” system", thread prefixes and numerous other useful improvements. I think you have completely misunderstood all of the reasons I have stated for a merge - it was not to gain increased traffic from the users of mitb.com
My point was that that the vast majority of this site’s traffic goes to that particular sections, and you wanted to have new content and merge two different sites in order to bring more visitors.
I didn’t want to do that at all. Firstly, new content was mentioned by Ruby and not me, and secondly I suggested the merge in order to make the site better by giving us more control over it.
Reiterating what others have said before, a merge won’t happen simply because Moparisthebest is against the notion, and it is his site. What could be drawn out of your suggestion, though, is a suggestion for a board rearrangement of current MoparScape boards.
[quote=“Davidi2, post:25, topic:536783”]Why can’t we add new content AND rearrange the boards? They aren’t mutually exclusive, and trying to say it’s a bad idea to rearrange boards because we need new content doesn’t make any sense. As for removing MITB and creating all the boards on MPSC, that’s not going to happen, Moparisthebest is completely against it.
Here’s my version of your changed board structure since I dont think you can see that section Flame:
[quote author=Davidi2 link=topic=655507.msg4388447#msg4388447 date=1386556419]
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- MoparScape Announcements
General
- General Discussion
- General Questions
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- Games
- General Game Discussion
- RuneScape
- Oldschool Runescape
- MineCraft
- MoparCraft Discussion
- MoparCraft Infraction Reports
- MineCraft Discussion
- MineCraft Server Advertisements
- Server Status Page
- General Programming
- Game Development
- Web Design/Development
- Graphics
- Tutorials
- Requests & Help
- Reviews and Multimedia
Private Server Advertising
- Server Advertisements
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- Sponsored Server Applications
Private Server Development
- Server and Client Development Showoff
- Downloads
- Download Requests
- Server Help
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- Client Help
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- Custom Models
- Requests and help
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RuneScape Classic
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- MoparClassic[/tt]
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This is actually pretty well thought out. I like it.
However I don’t know why we keep having this discussion, MITB isn’t for it and therefore it won’t happen unless his mind changes which I doubt it will.