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[quote=“Mopman, post:48, topic:384071”][quote author=Moparisthebest link=topic=479828.msg3517121#msg3517121 date=1299090566]
So does this mean no one is interested in writing an updater for money?
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MMMMM? :)[/quote]
I didn’t think you were interested, because I talked specifically to you about it a few weeks ago, and you said you’d think about it. Remember?
As if you’d put the fate of the bot in Mopman’s hands, rofl. Try talking Speljohan into it or something. He would want to do it off the record though because Jagex apparently doesn’t like him.
I’m hurt
I don’t think Johan would be willing.
[quote=“Mopman, post:51, topic:384071”]I’m hurt
I don’t think Johan would be willing.[/quote]
Well if nobody knows for sure that he’s doing it. Know what I mean?
i doubt he wants to risk his financial standing. updaters are a tricky subject, i don’t think anyone has a truly good method of implementing them.
I don’t want to wait years for the ‘perfect’ updater method though. Something decent will do.
so you ask mopman, hahahaha
make an opengl bot
Some people at SRL have experimented with this, for helping to find objects and stuff. It is certainly an interesting concept.
[quote=“Moparisthebest, post:57, topic:384071”][quote author=lawl link=topic=479828.msg3517605#msg3517605 date=1299124639]
make an opengl bot
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Some people at SRL have experimented with this, for helping to find objects and stuff. It is certainly an interesting concept.[/quote]Probably the best way to go about things while keeping them simple tbh. Implementing an updater that allows a host bot to manipulate colors of specific objects is probably way easier than identifying half the client using vague bytecode transforms.
The downside is that you have to be able to run the game with OpenGL, I don’t know if you can force it to run it in OpenGL software mode.
Also, it’s useless for getting things like world coordinates and such.
[quote=“Moparisthebest, post:59, topic:384071”]The downside is that you have to be able to run the game with OpenGL, I don’t know if you can force it to run it in OpenGL software mode.
Also, it’s useless for getting things like world coordinates and such.[/quote]Coordinates and the likes are incredibly easy things to retrieve however. The issue comes when you have a massive list of fields/classes to get reliably, as you end up with a huge dependency-chain that could break at any given time.
GL might be an issue for some, but for most it isn’t. RuneScape runs better in GL mode on both my laptop and stationary, and my laptop is using integrated shitty Intel graphics.
Does GL work under windows as well?
[quote=“Moparisthebest, post:61, topic:384071”]Does GL work under windows as well?[/quote]Of course it does.
As someone who’s been around the blocks for a while, I’m going to reign in on this thread.
I’ve been involved - sometimes more, sometimes less - in and around runescape cheating ‘scenes’ since sometime early in 2002, almost 10 years now (which is kind of sad, really). I’ve seen lots of communities come and go, lots of programs come and go, and lots of bots come and go. During my time hanging around like a bad smell I’ve made a few observations which you might want to keep in mind if you really are serious about doing something - anything. Take it or leave it, I don’t care, I’m just going to take a brain dump itt:
Spend some money on legal counsel prior to publishing anything. IMO, this would be a very smart investment. Hi Speljohan, ruler.
Whatever you’re going to do you I would seriously recommend properly planning anything before starting.
Don’t all sit around throwing out nice ideas, because everyone does this and has done this. There has been no bot that has come from a few ideas sitting around, people made the bot first.
No bot has ever been community run successfully. Every successful bot has been run by someone, or a group of people. Talking about the community is a bad idea when your community is not necessarily the sort of people you want coding.
Name. Don’t name it something like “cherokee” or “mopar”. While there is nothing bad about these names, they are very regional or specific terms and don’t have the universal recognition as something like, for example, “Aryan” does. It doesn’t have to be a single word like that either, ie RSBot, but remember a large portion of the player base isn’t soley American.
You have two choices with the way you structure your userbase slash community. Remove “veterans” “community members” etc with associated special privelages and hidden sections, post counts, join dates and groups that aren’t moderator type groups. This will severly limit any drama and basically if people can’t get recognition on their name alone then they probably shouldn’t have any recognition, however people who like these things may be put off (although, these people are usually not contributors in any solid way, but they can bring in ‘business’).
Alternatively, you go for a full structured heirachy, which also has pros and cons. Primarily it gives people a reason to do things, and something to aim for. Achievements may be worth looking at if you would go down this route. However, you also get the ego swinging aka my penis is bigger than yours, and people don’t necessarily do things for the best of reasons - ie, selfish. The major problem with this is you end up with a shitty caste system which people only get valued on their rank, not their contribution or actual reputation.
Personally, I’d suggest no heirachy except for moderators, but that’s just a personal recommendation and would totally be up to what business model you choose to run the bot under. From what I’ve seen in rs communities, the whole veteran shit is what kills it because it’s not thought out and ends up breeding discontent.
Business model - Do you plan on making money this bot profitable? If yes, close the source and sell auths. Seriously. On top of your advertising impressions this is the best way to do it. I was speaking with someone who works on a wow bot and they make a metric fucktonne from selling under that model.
Alternatively, your only other way to make money from an open source bot would be from advertising and you would need to consider where and how you were going to market it.
Open source? Fantastic but maybe too idealistic for this niche. Someone said it here before, but basically the people who will be using it won’t give two shits if it’s open source or not as long as it works.
If you’re thinking about “but what about when we lose interest and someone can continue it” WRONG BAD HORRIBLE. If you make this out of interest, it will die and you will lost interest. That’s cool if you’re just looking to occupy yourself, but if you want this to succeed you probably need to have a better strategy.
People will be using your bot to sell gold and items for real life cash. Stay the fuck away from this and don’t have trading sections. Banhammer people doing this on your forums.
Cbf writing more.
https://code.google.com/p/simba-reflection-updater/
Was bored a month or so ago and had a crack at an updater. Got sick of it after a few days but managed to write a couple of searches. Probably doesn’t work anymore, but meh. [E: fixed a few lines so it works fine to my knowledge. Ugly but decent]
Use any part of it if you want.
Also, eXemplar is right about the fact that ‘community’ projects fail. They always have, and always will. You need a group of people who are committed to it (and all know what they are doing).
[quote=“Iamadam, post:64, topic:384071”]https://code.google.com/p/simba-reflection-updater/
Was bored a month or so ago and had a crack at an updater. Got sick of it after a few days but managed to write a couple of searches. Probably doesn’t work anymore, but meh.
Use any part of it if you want.
Also, eXemplar is right about the fact that ‘community’ projects fail. They always have, and always will. You need a group of people who are committed to it (and all know what they are doing).[/quote]This be correct. The only reason i had for making RSBot open source was laziness (and to try it on a larger scale i guess). Needless to say it failed miserably. Yes, the bot may still be alive, but it is also worked upon by clueless twats nowadays.
Most of the problems you braindump, eXemplar, all come from each other.
For example, stop trying to make money from the damn thing and legal counsel is a non issue.
Stop caring about a power hierarchy, and how you organize it doesn’t matter.
Quite the opposite from most projects being under-thoughtout, I think most are overthought, and the same is about to happen again.
What are we, cheat developers or bureaucrats? Aryan wasn’t built on paperwork and smalltalk, it was built on a few people hacking on it.
Be agile motherfuckers.
EDIT: Also, “nobody cares if its open source as long as it works” is a fallacy. The same would apply to an operating system on a much larger scale, since the proportion of people who understand how the system works to those who don’t would be much lower, yet the model works fine for an operating system. I actually think a cheat being open source in a small community such as ours is vital, unless you can find either a large group of dedicated people (nope) or one dedicated person with nothing else to do ever (nope).
Your points are wrong moppy boy, but I’m not going to bother refuting them.
Don't all sit around throwing out nice ideas, because everyone does this and has done this. There has been no bot that has come from a few ideas sitting around, people made the bot _first_.
Maybe I should have said,
Arguing on mitb is the best way to proceed
You need a driver, not a few nitpickers.