Answers some unanswered questions
[code] the change of heart? one can’t just go from making god know’s what per month to nothing over ‘morality’
money from rsbuddy is insignificant to me
if it was a moral decision, especially regarding gold farmers - you could have combated that
furthermore, no one has seen your final update to RSBuddy
it wasnt simply a moral decision, it was somewhat more complex than that
the last update to rsbuddy was last friday
<^> Jacmob
so you released a working copy?
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<^> unban from #rsbuddy & #rscode
<^> ty
<^> plz
<^> thx
a few people on mumble saw - it was updated with player, npc, projection, input, and widget hooks
okay, back to the decision to shut rsbuddy down
people massively overhyped this cluster flutterer release of course
idk why people like Speljohan_ made idiotic comments about it being impossible to deal with
it seems as if you were threatened or bribed in the same manner Speljohan_ was.
to be fiar, he didnt
he made one comment and it got blown up
by other people
ah okay
Jacmob: is it true youre owrking at jagex nao?
njo hate or anything im just curious
yes
specially frell
Jacmob: thats awesome, gz
well i havent started yet Mopman
Jacmob: i have no problem with your decision btw
IF I APLLY TO SOME SHIT DEPT LIKE CUSTOMER SERVICE CAN YOU TELL THEM HOW HARD WORKING AND WONDERUFL I AM LOLOL
just wish you were a bit more open to what exactly transpired
Jacmob: are you gonna be moving to cambridge? or are you already near by
Mopman, you should get a job at jagex too
resume: administrator on moparisthebest.com
since im still at skl in london for now sorting out access and collaboration is still in progress
after that if i’m in cambridge at uni there’s less of an issue
jagex is just a blap down the a14 for me
ive considered applying to jagex before but id never get aj ob there lol
i dont want that repeated really but i guess some people will feel the need to go spreading it around
<^> Mopman: what was the comment
its already
massive rumour man
ive been told about 50 times in the last 2 days
thats why i asked
of course, that’s fine
yeah Jacmob, for one i won’t spread this convo
just don’t want to confirm yet
<^> ive considered applying to jagex before but id never get aj ob there lol
although others will
<^> you are not genius material
<^> you’re above average at best
<^> don’t consider
but i’m tired of rumours at this point so w/e
Jacmob: so, they hired you under the ground to shut down rsbuddy?
especially bullshit about how i love money when i’ve turned down making plenty of money of numerous occasions
on*
<^> t4 how important was rsbuddy to you
rsbuddy was t4’s life
^: not so much
no t4
not to shut down rsbuddy
to work on the game engine
more detail about that is confidential though
Jacmob: did you actually show them your bot as leverage for this job
cuz im surprised theyd hire
like
an undergrad
for real code
these days
thats pretty cool
there are other factors
so you weren’t ordered to stop the production of rsbuddy, Jacmob ?
t4: haha, its pretty obvious
that he couldnt continuewhile working there
Mopman: well duh
oh ofc i had to stop rsbuddy
indeed, rsbuddy would have become much harder to keep running
it would inevitably have gone down within a few months at most
Jacmob: so you would say it was less of a threat, more of an opportunity? - Davidi2_LINUX is now known as Davidi2
Jacmob: so they do know exactly who you are
is what i was really wondering
hehe
they know exactly who a lot of people are
heh
i’m referring to what transpired between you and jagex
RUH OH
i agreed with jagex about a lot of things t4
such as?
i didnt make rsbuddy because i love the idea of people cheating in runescape
is this confiedntialinformation
i am pretty indifferent to the issue
i can honestly see - SeanWT (pre@mopar-FE7F5534.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #mopar
that position
like, there was talk among the people who devd aryan (ohi SeanWT )
about how not all of them
were happy with
its impact on the game
Jacmob: i actually hate botting/botters
the impact on the game is complex as is my position of it
on*
they really exploit the system
gold farmers exploit the system
i already had plans to shut them out
but as long as there’s botting
there will be a bot developer
who doesnt care to
im going to start a gold farm
the users do too, Jacmob
plant gold seeds
I bought 20 of sams future children
frost dragon scripts, barrows scripts
yes but it’s a spectrum t4
he said he would fulfil the order within a week
seriously
he must be a pimp
and there’s a threshold
Speljohan_, we shud play bf3 sometime
i need to get a mic tho
Jacmob: you made a statement about optical bots earlier
what aobut them
something to the extent of how they’ll be obsolete
<^> SeanWT is here
<^> wow
ah ya well
<^> have i stepped 5 years into the past
it happens sometimes
^ more like 8
yuoungin
*youngin
do you have any insight on how they’d (jagex) accomplish that feat?
the idea is to reduce grind, but of course that’s not a simple thing to do
<^> SeanWT: fair
Jacmob youd only have to entirely change the game
the fact that Jacmob is still here
these screen scraping bots are very limited
and hasnt been banned from talking to us
<^> yeah
makes me think they want to turn him into some fucking
botter liason
hahaha
ban him cha cha cha
<^> he’s the official jagex ambassador to the cheating community
<^>
Jacmob: THE MOUTHPIECE OF JAGEX
well im not actually in cambridge atm
Jacmob: do go on
<^> Jacmob: did they have any contractual stipulations regarding what contact you are to have with the cheaters ?
of course there may well be more detection methods coming for screen scrapers
but i prefer the idea of making them obsolete
because removing bots changes the gameplay
and in some respects that change is for the worse
it would have been easier on me if the gameplay changes had come first of course
what about the 12 year olds that have billions in the bank and several 99s, is Jagex going to do anything about them?
no
t4 they have already broke their own game multiple time because of us
they dont want to go banning because of assumption of guilt
well that sure stinks, Jacmob - there will be such a divide in the runescape community
well there’s no perfect solution
there will always be divides
<^> several former botters have declared that they will go back to playing legit
look at party hats
runescape has outgrown its original gameplay
how much fucking money are they worth now
and its hard to make it work well
SeanWT: ~1.5b+
<^> i would imagine they are refraining from banning people because they have found that they don’t come back afterwards
t4 in real money?
<^> it leaves a deep scar on their young fragile noob hearts
SeanWT: gp, obv - around 800 usd+
Jacmob: you said it was meant for compatibility when it first came out right?
so insane
well having removed bots, it’s preferable not to have to punish the people who were so easily able to run them
i gave most of mine away on christmas because my friends werent on for the drops
i remember selling my santas for like 15k
in retrospect
bad idea
indeed
<^> durr
we have had periods of bots vanishing
they will come back
no matter what jagex does it will always be counterable
anyway i would refund people for longer periods
Mopman: those 5-7 years of waiting wouldn’t have been worth it
SeanWT: lets do it
unfortunately
cool and Jacmob will probably get to know how far off the refactored namings in clients are
that would mean me having to pay costs
its just a whole different ball game right now, but people will do it
<^> SeanWT: i am worried that RS will not be coming back though
ie i would have lost money by starting rsbuddy
<^> i’m sure you’ve already seen this
<^> but
^ im shocked its even still alive
I hated rs2
rsc pking is where it was a
t
because i payed out so much of the turnover on expenses
at
<^> http://www.google.com/trends?q=runescape&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
Jacmob: wtf expensis did yo ueven have
iu cant understand how it was that high
mk Jacmob one last question i suppose
or were you just bad at monetising
runescape had its place back in the day why anyone continues to play it is beyond me
since i wanted a big infrastructure rather than more money
but with the money jagex has im sure they can offer something of value
<^> SeanWT: have you noticed that everyone thinks that runescape was best during whatever time they happened to join it, and everything afterwards is crap ?
what do you foresee for the future of runescape and runescape cheating?
i never bothered to obsolete scripting since i liked that people were able to work on scripts
^: except the people who played rsc, are right
and agreed to pay out 60% otherwise the quality would have been even worse
<^> Mopman: suck on a live grenade
then there were legal things
^ well I dont believe ive ever known anyone who loved rs2 but I quit the scene after the change and barely had anything to do when doign rs2
preparing for jagex issues, i’m still suing paris
but you have a point
but I just hated the pking system in rs2
Jacmob: youre suing paris? i didnt even fuckin know that
haha
what for
rsbuddy’s hosting is ridiculous
<^> paris as in the city
<^> or
i thought the engine was neat and wrote a bot for it
<^> a person called paris
no paris as in the guy
duh
we have anycast dns routing to 5 datacenters
<^> WHAT GUY
ins3
^: ins3 if you know him
<^> seen around, don’t know
rsbot
that guy that took over speljohan’s bot
Jacmob: what do you foresee for the future of runescape and runescape cheating?
<^> Speljohan_ made a bot ??
yea the ass hole who does actually want max cash
THE FUTURE IS BLEAK
^: srsly?
<^> that wasn’t a 1% completed load of fuck
<^> ?
hes trolling
<^> am not
<^> unless you mean
rsc pking was basically like flipping a coin, yet it was incredibly fun and intense, when I played rs2 the wildy was a clusterfuck though I know they later removed it… which sounded even worse
johan made rsbot originally…
<^> the thing that zerofreeze commissioned
well t4 i expect runescape cheating to end and runescape to change its gameplay
no
<^> ohh
omg
<^> right
<^> ok
that was after
not zetabot lol
<^> yeah zetabot
<^> not zetabot
zetabot was a POS
I still have the source for it
there i said it
somewhere
dont hurt me
it was good for the 3 days it was up
<^> it is truley amazing
Mopman, POS?
im happy to sue paris since he’s been an ass hole to plenty of people
point of
<^> how quickley jagex has brainwashed you into believing this is possible
Jacmob: its funny, people said that when they first started using obfuscation
and when they first broke google
etc
its never happened
<^> runescape cheating will continue as long as people play runescape on computers that aren’t owned by jagex
<^> it is that simple
indeed
or is it
yea but this time the threshold that’s being pushed is different Mopman
this is like apolcalypse #5
Jacmob: peopel always say that, too
so what
<^> well
<^> i agree with Jacmob on that last point
<^> it’s a new frontier
<^> the new bot is the neural network bot
runescape had 13 year olds who didnt know shit writing bots for runescape, look at richyt, WoW had much more intelligent people hackign away at its codebase
fair enough, but the analysis in real terms that leads to that conclusion suggests that it really won’t be worth writing the software now
<^> of course old SCAR will chug alone galliantly
just because the threshold increases dosent mean it goes away
this is different in that jagex really has taken loss to remove bots
<^> the most effective method
<^> is just manual mass banning
nothing near this significant
theyve been hacking away at their limbs for years to stop bots, random events was meant to be the bot killer of rs2
people will adapat
is that a joke
<^> well
<^> ok
<^> seriously
<^> there is no point in having this debate
<^> let me just say this to Jacmob
you can’t seriously say that jagex have been working their limbs off to stop botting
<^> in what i hope represents the aggregate sentiment of the cheating community
<^> after this update
in the past thye have
<^> :
they go through phases
<^> bring it on
<^> "
of being very passive and very active
hacking their limbs off by destroying their game in attempts to stop botting
not working their limbs off
is what I meant
and they have
I know jagex take drastic measures
and you can only argue either way with quantitative data
I often feel to their detrament
as far as gameplay is concerned
which i can’t relate so we’ll have to wait and see
at least this update didnt detrimentally affect gameplay
<^> heh
Mopman other than performance
performance of the client, sure, but the game itself stayed
<^> +1 Mopman
and removing the unsigned client apparently
this update isnt finished
this update is actually quite far from finished
haha
care to share
:>:>
the boogey man wants you scared
DONT LOOK UNDER THE BED KIDS
in fact what’s happend so far is overhyped and mediocre
id agree with that
ive been trying to underhype it and people keep telling me im naive
so i can only assume theres more to it than ive seen
<^> Jacmob, what realistic measures can their be against screenreading bots
the new obfuscation is a good basis to make analysis a bigger pain
I said it from the day of the patch that “this isnt it”
^: screenreading as in scar?
<^> there be (
<^> wow
but in and of itself isnt much
well simba
<^> i type like a retard
there may be a lul
but it will end
tough
whos gonna end it
atm
i have no idea
frank prolly
hahaha
<^> frank is a lazy bag
frank could
but he wont
<^> he is too lazy
<^> he’s old and fat and bald
franks smart enough to do it if mopar dips into his fund
mopar will dip into his fund
<^> his spry youth is a distant memory in the rearview mirror of the sunset
i shouldnt be promising things on behalf of mopar
but
fuck it
he would
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<Mopman> does anyone knwo whya ndrew left btw
<_^_> or something
<Mopman> it seemed
<SeanWT> that just makes it look faggy
<Mopman> like
<Mopman> bad
<Mopman> like somethign went down
<SeanWT> Mopman because he was rich?
<Mopman> dramaz
<Mopman> nah it seemd way more than that
<Jacmob> no Mopman hes still there
<Jacmob> thats just a rumour
<Mopman> Jacmob: define "there"
<_^_> and the fact that andrew is worth 300mill whatever the british currency is
<_^_> ?
* SeanWT slaps eXemplar around a bit with a large dildo
<Mopman> he no longer holds any shares and has formed another studio
<Jacmob> in the office frequently
<Mopman> that seems like hes left to me
<Mopman> oh hes still around
<Mopman> oksomething obvious:
<Jacmob> jagex were going to take down rsbuddy at some point if i hadn't decided to stop it
<Jacmob> i dont trust jagex to do more than stop botting for a few weeks, but i trust myself to do it
<Jacmob> of course it's very easy for me to trust myself
<unhandled> http://franklyfrank.info/quote/10
<SeanWT> well if anyones going to trust you, it would be yourself
<Mopman> eXemplar: are you writing it in ruby
<SeanWT> I dont
<eXemplar> no, because i'm not gay
<Mopman> lol
<eXemplar> hey Mopman, hows the mod tracker
<Mopman> fuck ya then
<Mopman> eXemplar: haha
<Mopman> i got lazy :(
<SeanWT> eXemplar you make me love you more everyday
<Mopman> i mean
<Mopman> i had other things
<Mopman> to do
<eXemplar> yes, you are clearly a man with a lot on his plate :P
<Mopman> 22:55:08 Jacmob | i dont trust jagex to do more than stop botting for a few weeks, but i trust myself to do it
<Mopman> so is your role at jagex going to be anti cheat focused
<SeanWT> eXemplar why arent you asking about his 3d space game with seemless planteary flying
<Jacmob> no Mopman
<Mopman> he didnt know about that
<Mopman> stfu
<Mopman> ok
<SeanWT> or his html5 turned java game
<eXemplar> SeanWT: go on?
<Jacmob> but i still have a feeling
<Mopman> WILL YOU STOP IT
<Jacmob> that even though they've implemented something good
<Jacmob> it won't be enough
<Mopman> eXemplar: why dont you ask sean about his orgy with 2 males
<SeanWT> eXemplar have you seen that video thats been out for years
<Cbot> what exactly did jagex do
<SeanWT> about the guy who has a space sim that u fly around in
<Jacmob> and as such i will take it further than it probably needs to go if given the chance :pover 20k chars
http://pastie.org/private/y0icbsmgputhtuvtkqtzw
will post more if anything interesting occurs.
