I could talk to Tekk and see if it can be hosted on the StrictFP server.
Forum tutorial idea
I’m still working on it, once it is ready to be hosted we can talk about it more.
I’m relieved to see your still committed to contract 
Thats funny.
[quote=“Taharok, post:18, topic:401134”][quote author=Moparisthebest link=topic=498194.msg3655753#msg3655753 date=1309999942]
It is a new base to be used by the community, but blake/boomer has the option to actually host it and become the ‘official server of moparisthebest.com’.
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Maybe we can continue with an old idea of managing a development project for the base, where all users can submit content, but only the most refined and finalized content is added to the public server, which is open source, naturally.
Are there any limitations to you hosting it? I think neither blake nor boomer is interested in that part, nor do they have dedicated servers to give up for it or anything.[/quote]
You’re kidding right? I’ve had a server online for the past 3 months. Its coming together quite nicely.
And you’ve known about it as I’ve discussed with you multiple times about joining the team…
[quote=“boomer216, post:22, topic:401134”][quote author=Taharok link=topic=498194.msg3669264#msg3669264 date=1310799683]
Maybe we can continue with an old idea of managing a development project for the base, where all users can submit content, but only the most refined and finalized content is added to the public server, which is open source, naturally.
Are there any limitations to you hosting it? I think neither blake nor boomer is interested in that part, nor do they have dedicated servers to give up for it or anything.
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You’re kidding right? I’ve had a server online for the past 3 months. Its coming together quite nicely.
And you’ve known about it as I’ve discussed with you multiple times about joining the team…[/quote]
I’m quite aware of enkrona. I was referring to you providing a dedicated server specifically for this community’s use. Am I still wrong in saying I am doubtful of you possessing a dedicated server for that purpose? If so, then I’m pleased because it solves one more headache in trying to get Osiris viral in this scene.
I believe you said AND, not OR.
I’m not okay with just Boomer capitalizing off a contract that we both were a part of.
“The server the developers host using the software (currently at: enkrona.net) will become the official server of moparisthebest.com”
It says developers, not one developer. The developers are defined in the contract as myself and Boomer, not the people working on the Enkrona project.
As far as I’m concerned, if it isn’t a project that Boomer and I are both on, then it cannot proceed as part of the contract.
Yes I left the Enkrona project, but I did not “leave the contract.” I also still own the enkrona.net domain.
We all signed it, so either we work it out and do it together or this is just gonna be a mess.
[quote=“blakeman8192, post:24, topic:401134”][quote author=Moparisthebest link=topic=498194.msg3652075#msg3652075 date=1309804580]
The contract was with Boomer AND Blake, so just because blake left, it could still happen with Boomer.
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I believe you said AND, not OR.
I’m not okay with just Boomer capitalizing off a contract that we both were a part of.
“The server the developers host using the software (currently at: enkrona.net) will become the official server of moparisthebest.com”
It says developers, not one developer. The developers are defined in the contract as myself and Boomer, not the people working on the Enkrona project.
As far as I’m concerned, if it isn’t a project that Boomer and I are both on, then it cannot proceed as part of the contract.
Yes I left the Enkrona project, but I did not “leave the contract.”[/quote]
You don’t have to leave the contract.
You left the development team of the server that uses the software (currently hosted at www.enkrona.net).
The contract dictates that server is the one that will be the official server of moparscape.
[quote=“boomer216, post:25, topic:401134”][quote author=blakeman8192 link=topic=498194.msg3699479#msg3699479 date=1312658556]
I believe you said AND, not OR.
I’m not okay with just Boomer capitalizing off a contract that we both were a part of.
“The server the developers host using the software (currently at: enkrona.net) will become the official server of moparisthebest.com”
It says developers, not one developer. The developers are defined in the contract as myself and Boomer, not the people working on the Enkrona project.
As far as I’m concerned, if it isn’t a project that Boomer and I are both on, then it cannot proceed as part of the contract.
Yes I left the Enkrona project, but I did not “leave the contract.”
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You don’t have to leave the contract.
You left the development team of the server that uses the software (currently hosted at www.enkrona.net).
The contract dictates that server is the one that will be the official server of moparscape.[/quote]
The contract dictates that a server hosted by the developers will be the official server of MoparScape.
The contract defines the developers as you and me, not the people working on the Enkrona project.
As far as the contract is concerned, we could start a new project using Osiris and it would work.
It is specific to the developers, and not to the project.
But if you want to say that the contract was specific to the project, then the only tangible defining aspect is “currently at: enkrona.net” which I own. If you really want to try to state that is is specific to the project and not the developers, then the only single defining factor of the project is that it is at enkrona.net. I’m still willing to work together on this, but you wont let me join the Enkrona project again unless you get 70% of the profits which I’m not okay with.
Your own point, that it is specific to the project, does not work for you as the project is only defined by the domain that I own.
MITB, we need to talk this out in voice over Mumble.
There are two ways that this can be interpreted - that it is specific to the project, or that it is specific to the developers. My view is that it is specific to the developers, as the contract clearly states so. If, however, it is specific to the contract and not the developers (which, in my interpretation, is completely false), then the only way that the contract defined the project is by the domain.
If my interpretation is correct, then neither of us can use this opportunity until we work together on a project based on Osiris.
If your interpretation is correct, then we can either work together or I can use it solely as I own enkrona.net which the contract defined as the project.
[quote=“blakeman8192, post:26, topic:401134”][quote author=boomer216 link=topic=498194.msg3699494#msg3699494 date=1312659201]
You don’t have to leave the contract.
You left the development team of the server that uses the software (currently hosted at www.enkrona.net).
The contract dictates that server is the one that will be the official server of moparscape.
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The contract dictates that a server hosted by the developers will be the official server of MoparScape.
The contract defines the developers as you and me, not the people working on the Enkrona project.
As far as the contract is concerned, we could start a new project using Osiris and it would work.
It is specific to the developers, not to Enkrona.
But if you want to specific about the part “currently at: enkrona.net” then I own enkrona.net and your point doesn’t hold up there either. If you really want to try to state that is is specific to the project and not the developers, then the only single defining factor of the project is that it is at enkrona.net. Which I own. I’m still willing to work together on this, but you wont let me join the Enkrona project again unless you get 70% of the profits which I’m not okay with.
You look fucking greedy dude.[/quote]
Blake.
The domain has nothing to do with the fact. Plus your friend owns it, not you.
The server hosted, which was at the time at enkrona.net, is and was hosted on my VPS.
You left the project, you forfeited your spot on the development team of the official moparscape server.
Don’t even talk about greedy. You barely programmed after the first 3 days of the project.
And you wanted 50% of the profits. Even though I programmed about 40k out of the 50k lines.
You left the project out of your own choosing, and now you want back in because you want to use the ‘official server spot’ to advertise your friends server that isn’t even using osiris.
And then when you realized that wasn’t going to happen, you’re trying to get back into enkrona now that most of the work is done. And you had the nerve to demand 50/50 from the profits. So don’t even start with “greedy”
You guys just need to work out something satisfactory to both of you, for my part I’ll follow the contract.
[quote=“boomer216, post:27, topic:401134”][quote author=blakeman8192 link=topic=498194.msg3699509#msg3699509 date=1312660060]
The contract dictates that a server hosted by the developers will be the official server of MoparScape.
The contract defines the developers as you and me, not the people working on the Enkrona project.
As far as the contract is concerned, we could start a new project using Osiris and it would work.
It is specific to the developers, not to Enkrona.
But if you want to specific about the part “currently at: enkrona.net” then I own enkrona.net and your point doesn’t hold up there either. If you really want to try to state that is is specific to the project and not the developers, then the only single defining factor of the project is that it is at enkrona.net. Which I own. I’m still willing to work together on this, but you wont let me join the Enkrona project again unless you get 70% of the profits which I’m not okay with.
You look fucking greedy dude.
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The domain has nothing to do with the fact. Plus your friend owns it, not you.[/quote]
The domain is the only defining factor of the project in the contract.
It has everything to do with the fact. And I own it, Kramer is just holding on to it for me in his account.
I pay for it.
The server hosted, which was at the time at enkrona.net, is and was hosted on my VPS.In the contract, host is used as a verb and not a noun.
You left the project, you forfeited your spot on the development team of the official moparscape server.Nowhere in the contract does it state that "if a developer leaves the Enkrona project, he forfeits his holdings in this contract." You are making ridiculous shit up, stick to what the contract states. By the way, we had a verbal agreement that if I left Enkrona, you would pay $500 to samuraiblood2. Which you haven't done in several months.
Don't even talk about greedy. You barely programmed after the first 3 days of the project.Let's see how well your code works without the server core that hosts it (which I made). A server is not a server if clients cannot connect to it.
And you wanted 50% of the profits. Even though I programmed about 40k out of the 50k lines.We never said that whoever codes more gets more profit. We started the project as 50/50, and it never changed.
You left the project out of your own choosing, and now you want back in because you want to use the 'official server spot' to advertise your friends server that isn't even using osiris.I left Enkrona, I didn't leave the contract.
And then when you realized that wasn't going to happen, you're trying to get back into enkrona now that most of the work is done. And you had the nerve to demand 50/50 from the profits. So don't even start with "greedy"I'm only offering to re-join Enkrona so we can work together and benefit off this contract.
The fact of the matter is as follows:
If I am right - that the contract defines this by the developers and not the project: then we cannot make use of this until we work together on a project based on Osiris.
If you are right - that the contract defines this by the project and not the developers: then the single tangible defining factor (which must be examined) in the contract is by the domain, which is owned by me. If you are right, then we can either work together on this or I can use this, as I own the domain.
[quote=“blakeman8192, post:29, topic:401134”][quote author=boomer216 link=topic=498194.msg3699520#msg3699520 date=1312660725]
The domain has nothing to do with the fact. Plus your friend owns it, not you.[/quote]
The domain is the only defining factor of the project in the contract.
It has everything to do with the fact. And I own it, Kramer is just holding on to it for me in his account.
I pay for it.
[quote]
The server hosted, which was at the time at enkrona.net, is and was hosted on my VPS.[/quote]
In the contract, host is used as a verb and not a noun.
[quote]
You left the project, you forfeited your spot on the development team of the official moparscape server.[/quote]
Nowhere in the contract does it state that “if a developer leaves the Enkrona project, he forfeits his holdings in this contract.”
You are making ridiculous shit up, stick to what the contract states. By the way, we had a verbal agreement that if I left Enkrona, you would pay $500 to samuraiblood2. Which you haven’t done in several months.
[quote]
Don’t even talk about greedy. You barely programmed after the first 3 days of the project.[/quote]
Let’s see how well your code works without the server core that hosts it (which I made). A server is not a server if clients cannot connect to it.
[quote]
And you wanted 50% of the profits. Even though I programmed about 40k out of the 50k lines.[/quote]
We never said that whoever codes more gets more profit. We started the project as 50/50, and it never changed.
[quote]
You left the project out of your own choosing, and now you want back in because you want to use the ‘official server spot’ to advertise your friends server that isn’t even using osiris. [/quote]
I left Enkrona, I didn’t leave the contract.
I’m only offering to re-join Enkrona so we can work together and benefit off this contract.
The fact of the matter is as follows:
If I am right - that the contract defines this by the developers and not the project: then we cannot make use of this until we work together on a project based on Osiris.
If you are right - that the contract defines this by the project and not the developers: then the single tangible defining factor (which must be examined) in the contract is by the domain, which is owned by me. If you are right, then we can either work together on this or I can use this, as I own the domain.[/quote]
i say fuck off you leech. you’ve been nothing but a thorn in my side.
i’ve poured a years worth of work into this project, and I let you have 3500$.
then after we sold it you continued not to develop a single line.
i continued to ask you to help, but you refused saying you were bored with the project and wanted to move on.
then i told you to leave enkrona, and you asked me to buy your “shares” of enkrona.
then we finally came to an agreement for you to leave, and now you want back in cuz you see money.
you have no character and i am done working with you.
You told me to leave Enkrona bro.
You said you’d pay samurai and you never did.
Remember that you signed the contract dude.
We can all benefit off this, or if you’re going to be stubborn, then none of us can.
MITB isn’t going to disregard the legal contact just so you can benefit from it.
We all signed it, we can all benefit from it. Or you can be stubborn and greedy and we can do nothing with this opportunity.
[quote=“blakeman8192, post:31, topic:401134”]You told me to leave Enkrona bro.
You said you’d pay samurai and you never did.
Remember that you signed the contract dude.
We can all benefit off this, or if you’re going to be stubborn, then none of us can.
MITB isn’t going to disregard the legal contact just so you can benefit from it.
We all signed it, we can all benefit from it. Or you can be stubborn and greedy and we can do nothing with this opportunity.[/quote]
stubborn and greedy? coming from the kid who left a server with high potential cuz he was lazy.
then when its almost done he runs back and demands 50/50.
yup i’m the stubborn and greedy one.
This is the post where he announced he was leaving Enkrona (http://enkrona.net/forums/showthread.php?1314-Leaving)
Hey guys, I'm leaving Enkrona.Let’s face it, Enkrona doesn’t interest me anymore. I’ve tried to recommit myself to it over the past few months and it’s just not working out. I’m not going to bullshit anyone anymore. I’m tired of arguing with Boomer about working on it and the profit splits. I’m bored with Enkrona. I had a great time with all of you, and I’m sure Boomer will take this project far.
Maybe I’ll be one of your fellow players once Enkrona is out.
Peace.
Notice how he mentions the future of the server? How he’ll be one of the ‘fellow players’.
And now out of the blue he wants back in and a split of the profits.
Moparisthebest, if you want a well developed server that brings much innovation to this dry landscape, AND is built off Osiris, and IS THE SPECIFIC server mentioned in the deal, then we can talk.
But Blake will not be a part of it, as he had already forfeited his spot in the ownership.
I agree with Blakeman, it isn’t up to ONE person to dictate where your software is hosted. If Blakeman started to host the software as well, what would happen then? That quote says ‘currently at’, which means that it is subject to change if the circumstances change.
As long as the server uses the software that you guys made together, he should be able to rejoin at any time (otherwise one could just kick the other out, right?) and get the same benefits as the other. Unless he countersigned a void for the contract (or it expires), he’s still part of it even if he decides to ‘leave’ or become inactive.
EDIT - Though it seems a bit off that boomer put 4 months more work into the server since blakeman went inactive there, but that wasn’t in the contract.
[quote=“Davidi2, post:33, topic:401134”]I agree with Blakeman, it isn’t up to ONE person to dictate where your software is hosted. If Blakeman started to host the software as well, what would happen then? That quote says ‘currently at’, which means that it is subject to change if the circumstances change.
As long as the server uses the software that you guys made together, he should be able to rejoin at any time (otherwise one could just kick the other out, right?) and get the same benefits as the other. Unless he countersigned a void for the contract (or it expires), he’s still part of it even if he decides to ‘leave’ or become inactive.
EDIT - Though it seems a bit off that boomer put 4 months more work into the server since blakeman went inactive there, but that wasn’t in the contract.[/quote]
We couldn’t kick each other out, we made an agreement for him to leave.
Oh and it wasn’t just four months. It was about 8 months that I programmed and he didn’t.
The thing is he left the entire project, I had to pay to make him leave.
And now he wants back in? Its complete shit.
The contract says the server we developed and hosted would become the official server.
That server we developed and hosted is still the same, its just he is not part of the company anymore.
If a studio makes a game, and a publisher agrees to publish it, and one of the developers of the studio leaves half way through, there is no reason the publisher should stop publishing it. Nor does that publishing agreement give any right for the strayed developer to join the studio again.
Totally agree with you there, but the two circumstances that would happen are:
- No contract at all is signed, it’s unofficial and any person can do whatever they want
- Contracts/job paperwork are signed upon joining, and then there are termination agreements yada yada yada that also need signing for it to be official that someone ‘left’. In that company, a person could give a press conference and say they are leaving, but if they don’t do the paperwork or anything it’s all just words.
[quote=“Davidi2, post:35, topic:401134”]Totally agree with you there, but the two circumstances that would happen are:
- No contract at all is signed, it’s unofficial and any person can do whatever they want
- Contracts/job paperwork are signed upon joining, and then there are termination agreements yada yada yada that also need signing for it to be official that someone ‘left’. In that company, a person could give a press conference and say they are leaving, but if they don’t do the paperwork or anything it’s all just words.[/quote]
We aren’t a company. We don’t have termination clauses, or employment contracts.
Therefore we don’t need a signing saying he left.
The fact is that I own the hosting that still is pointed to from www.enkrona.net
The contract still should be in affect to sponsor my server.
You need to make up your mind. If you guys are following a contract system, you need to follow it all the way though, from the creation contract to a termination contract. If you’re not going to say you need contracts, then I don’t see why the first contract would be valid anymore, and thus the ‘official moparscape’ server wouldn’t be linked to you unless Moparisthebest wants it to.
Just my two cents.
[quote=“Davidi2, post:37, topic:401134”]You need to make up your mind. If you guys are following a contract system, you need to follow it all the way though, from the creation contract to a termination contract. If you’re not going to say you need contracts, then I don’t see why the first contract would be valid anymore, and thus the ‘official moparscape’ server wouldn’t be linked to you unless Moparisthebest wants it to.
Just my two cents.[/quote]
The contract only specifies the server we developed, hosted at enkrona.net.
It doesn’t specify any company, or that we have to be together.
I own the server we developed, I own the hosting it. I should own the official server sponsorship. \
Plus we did have a verbal contract for him to leave, I haven’t fulfilled the terms of that agreement yet, but say I do this week, then he has official left, and I should have all rights if we want to argue that he did officially leave.
No, you don’t owner the server you made together. Even if we’re saying he doesn’t need to sign anything to officially leave, that doesn’t give you any single ownership rights unless he specifically said he was giving his ownership to you. If I make a boat with someone, and then leave it in the marina without using it, does it make it solely the other persons property? He let you keep the hosted server, but I see no reason why, if he takes the source you guys made together (even if it doesn’t have all the content you have added since he left), and started hosting, why you would have any more rights to the sponsorship than he does.
Because the sponsorship doesn’t refer to either one of us, it refers to the server I hosted.
And he gave up his rights to the server by me paying for him to leave.