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#41

[quote=“Davidi2, post:40, topic:553213”][quote author=Frell link=topic=672130.msg4495267#msg4495267 date=1441664060]

[quote author=Davidi2 link=topic=672130.msg4495266#msg4495266 date=1441663894]None of us are lawyers, but Jagex has a whole team of them. I don’t think any of us know the ins and outs of IP law, but there is a lot more in common between the two games than just the fact that they are both RPGs.
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The similarities between WoW and Everquest were extremely blatant as well, and look what happened.

You’re forgetting very little of Runescape is actually original. Medieval? Historical. The concept of magic? Been around forever. Tile based movement? DnD. Turn based combat? Dnd again I believe. Other than the lore nothing is original.

I think you’re just not fully grasping what actually categorizes as IP. Ben and Sini’s knowledge of Runescapes workings will definitely be a portal for lawsuits, but they would never be successful.
[/quote]You can’t blatantly copy a games art style and gameplay and think nobody will notice and let it slide. WoW was built from a preexisting art style from the Warcraft games and didn’t take that from EQ. I’m not referring to the fact that both games have magic or are medieval or the lore, I’m looking at the screenshots and gameplay video and seeing that you could almost overlay them on top of RS screenshots and a person that hasn’t played either (like a judge) might think they are the same game. Hell, even if they changed it to not be tile-based but kept the art style they had right now I’d still say Jagex might try to sue them. Fuck, they can do whatever they want. I just know if I was ever asked to join a project like that I wouldn’t for a second assume it was going to be a safe source of income. If I had to guess I’d just say someone got a hardon after seeing your success with Blackwake and can’t tell the difference between a unique fun game with a nice niche market and a remake.[/quote]
Appreciate the compliment thrown in there, but @ the first part:

WoW:

Allods

Hand painting images isn’t copyrightable. Boldly coloring objects isn’t copyrightable either. In fact, you can’t even say it was a stylistic choice for Jagex and instead more of a limitation, as they jumped ship as soon as their engine could handle it.

It has to be an original idea for you to claim ownership. Being the first to use something that isn’t original (alone) in a different context does not make it IP. I believe the line blurs here when unoriginal concepts come together to form something functionally original, but yea. A game doesn’t pass for that because many of the concepts are standing alone and aren’t derived uniquely enough from the original concept to be IP, such as lore. You can write a book about a school for wizards but you can’t call it Harry Potter.

#42

Again, I’m not referring to simple similarities. I’m talking about the fact it looks like things were taken directly from the game. You can clearly tell when looking at those screenshots you linked that it’s a different art style and game, but the Thornefall models look like they could even just be RS models with more triangles in a lot of places. Having a similar art style is not the same as having the same art. Even in the case that they don’t get sued or anything, I still wouldn’t consider a game remake like that where alternatives already exist to be considered a safe income source. EDIT - Not really worth arguing tbh, they are already working on the project I assume so just time will tell how far they get and if jagex decides to try anything; i just know if it was me i would try to get away from that art style before trying to market it

#43

That comes down to the color, then. Many games use similar topology for characters/environments, they use whatever the industry deems most efficient.

Nothing can happen because Jagex was unoriginal to begin with there (because of limitations), you can’t copyright color. Tons of game boy games look like the sprites could have been from the same sprite sheet but no one complained. Plus the Runescape the world sees today looks nothing like TF, you can only compare it to OSRS and loosely. Assuming TF goes one step further with ambient occlusion/dynamic day/night cycles etc they’ve already made it unique enough to stand out.

#44

ironic meme inbound quits rs work to do rs copy work

tom has a fire burning inside of him u will end up dead sini

#45

i dont think anybody here understands

massive company
has 2x lawyers than tf has players
game is blatently a carbon copy of rs
expects not to get sued

i honestly think not much will come from either blackwake or thornfall in the end (just my opinion, not a fact, if it turns out both succeeds then great but i dont see it happening)

#46

[quote=“Pure_, post:45, topic:553213”]i dont think anybody here understands

massive company
has 2x lawyers than tf has players
game is blatently a carbon copy of rs
expects not to get sued

i honestly think not much will come from either blackwake or thornfall in the end (just my opinion, not a fact, if it turns out both succeeds then great but i dont see it happening)[/quote]
blackwake is actually getting a decent amount of funding and lots of free mostly positive advertisement from several renowed youtubers i thought, they stand a much greater chance than some god awful hack of a copy kek

#47

This is a pretty heated debate. I don’t think it matters, and no one here is an expert on IP. So take it with a grain of salt.

#48

TF isn’t done, everyone is assuming it’s a clone right now

#49

TF is a predictable pick, gross gore proved that a while back.

#50

[quote=“Tom, post:49, topic:553213”]TF is a predictable pick, gross gore proved that a while back.[/quote]gets banned too much imo :confused:

#51

Well said Sini!

#52

[quote=“arham 4, post:51, topic:553213”][quote author=sini link=topic=672130.msg4495239#msg4495239 date=1441644568]
The amount of effort you put into making a good RS server is about as equivalent to the amount of effort you’d put in making a game. Which is better in the long term?
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Well said Sini![/quote]
That is not true at all. Imagine writing a client and server, creating assets for it. The whole lot. At least we have a client and assets. Writing a server alone for rsps does not compete.

It’s not like we’re writing enterprise tier servers either.

Writing your own game is so much better tho at the end result!

#53

[quote=“my-swagger, post:52, topic:553213”][quote author=arham 4 link=topic=672130.msg4495294#msg4495294 date=1441685540]

Well said Sini!
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That is not true at all. Imagine writing a client and server, creating assets for it. The whole lot. At least we have a client and assets. Writing a server alone for rsps does not compete.

It’s not like we’re writing enterprise tier servers either.

Writing your own game is so much better tho at the end result![/quote]except the client isn’t open source. maybe in terms of hours it’s still easier to reverse engineer than write your own, but still frustrating as fuck

#54

Nobody in this community cares if it’s open source.
Reverse engineering is down to how competent of a programmer you are.

I’m only saying making a rsps is easier.
We already have refactored clients available and if you wanted you could create your own game out of it. (Look at that GTA thingy or Harrys fps).

But having your own game, completely made yourself will always be more rewarding than recreating a dying game.

#55

[quote=“my-swagger, post:54, topic:553213”]Nobody in this community cares if it’s open source.
Reverse engineering is down to how competent of a programmer you are.

I’m only saying making a rsps is easier.
We already have refactored clients available and if you wanted you could create your own game out of it. (Look at that GTA thingy or Harrys fps).

But having your own game, completely made yourself will always be more rewarding than recreating a dying game.[/quote]
what a dumb post, i dont even… have you read anything in this topic, or even just my post?

#56

RIFT and WoW are more similar than WoW and Allods. RIFT practically looks almost exactly like WoW, and no lawsuits have even been thought of. Thornefall and RS will be able to coexist, as Frell has stated. Jagex will probably make empty threats, however.

#57

Nvm

#58

[quote=“EcoPS GM, post:56, topic:553213”]RIFT and WoW are more similar than WoW and Allods. RIFT practically looks almost exactly like WoW, and no lawsuits have even been thought of. Thornefall and RS will be able to coexist, as Frell has stated. Jagex will probably make empty threats, however.[/quote]now I believe they should co-exist because competition makes for a better product, but i doubt it’ll be empty threats. It’ll come down to can TF have enough money for the lawsuits and fighting the empty threats to also exist on its own

#59

[quote=“ox random xi, post:58, topic:553213”][quote author=EcoPS GM link=topic=672130.msg4495329#msg4495329 date=1441743649]
RIFT and WoW are more similar than WoW and Allods. RIFT practically looks almost exactly like WoW, and no lawsuits have even been thought of. Thornefall and RS will be able to coexist, as Frell has stated. Jagex will probably make empty threats, however.
[/quote]now I believe they should co-exist because competition makes for a better product, but i doubt it’ll be empty threats. It’ll come down to can TF have enough money for the lawsuits and fighting the empty threats to also exist on its own[/quote]
tf is a game that will never come to fruition and even assuming a washed up project like a shitty runescape clone ever will come to that point is laughable

gross gore plays a shitty tf tbh =,=

#60

[quote=“being an idiot comes with a price, dearies, post:59, topic:553213”][quote author=ox random xi link=topic=672130.msg4495354#msg4495354 date=1441768275]

tf is a game that will never come to fruition and even assuming a washed up project like a shitty runescape clone ever will come to that point is laughable

gross gore plays a shitty tf tbh =,=[/quote]
wow senpai waifu desu chan your name is so extravagant…